Sports NFL Thread: 2023-2024 Season

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If the Chiefs win, where does this place Pat Mahomes in the GOAT debate? I think he’s a fantastic QB and one of the best the game has ever seen, but to compare him to Brady this early in his career is still kinda shocking. He’s definitely on track imo, but perhaps not ready to be in that convo yet…

A decisive win over the 49ers would certainly tempt me to consider placing him in that convo though. Looks like this year is eerily similar to 2020 too

Edit: And with that Super Bowl win, he's definitely in the discussion now
 
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Some prices of information that might be worth looking into before the most boring Super Bow matchup we’ve had in a while. However, take these with a grain of salt as the betting numbers for the game could still change as the betting odds change as more people bet in favor of this team up until the game begins. The sportsbooks have to make their money somehow, right?

With that being said, the Kansas City Chiefs are:
  • 6-0 as road underdogs since 2019
  • 5-1 as underdogs in general since 2021 (they were favorites in every game they played in the 2021 season)
  • 14-3 in playoff games since 2018
  • 5-0 when playing at a neutral site since 2015 (remember, the 2020-21 Super Bowl loss was in Tampa Bay’s home stadium)
  • Have the league’s longest active win streak at five wins
 
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I want to congratulate the Kansas City Chiefs for not only winning the Super Bowl, but also for the notable accomplishment of being the first team since the 2003-04 New England Patriots to win the Super Bowl in consecutive seasons. I personally did not have much preference for who I wanted to see win the game, but credit where credit is due, both teams played pretty well and there did not seem to be any significant penalty bias in favor of one side as far as I can tell. Here's the thing about teams like the Chiefs and the 49ers: no matter if you win or lose games like these, there is some merit to be found here. The way I like to see these things, sometimes losing to a really good team is actually better than winning, at least to me, because winning against another team also makes that other team you just won against look worse by comparison.

A recent example of this: I would still argue that the 2020 Chiefs (16-3 including playoffs) were a slightly better team than the 2022 Chiefs (17-3 including playoffs) despite the latter having a half-game advantage and a Super Bowl victory over their counterpart from two seasons earlier. The lack of the 17th regular season game for the 2020 roster is notable in this comparison, and you can also make the argument that the 2020 Chief's three losses were better than those of the 2022 Chiefs. Had the 2020 Chiefs won against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in that season's Super Bowl and finished 17-2 including playoffs, however, this dynamic completely changes, since there was no way to prove if that 17-2 season actually would have been an 18-2 final record by comparison, or if it would have been another 17-3 final record instead.
 

Zest of Life

Banned deucer.
As a Niners fan, I’d just like to say it’s so joever and we’re never winning a Super Bowl in my lifetime

Panicking and abandoning the run is always the dumbest thing I ever see Shanahan do. But he does it consistently. You have one of the greatest backs in history and a committee that dominates. Yet he would rather abandon it as soon as he’s 3 points down. Makes no sense. Swear the Niners are cursed

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i bring this up again since its a valid question after bro having 3 rings at 28
Coincidentally this is the first time I’ve heard 28, 3, and “rings” all in the same sentence since a certain other Super Bowl. In all seriousness, Brady has a 2-0 head-to-head playoffs record against Mahomes, and the Patriot’s back-to-back Super Bowl seasons were noticeably better than what Kansas City just did. Credit where credit is due for being the first team to repeat since then, but unless Mahomes can do at least one of the following, I won’t be convinced he’s the greatest of all time, and even then some of these seem far more reasonable than others:
  • Three-peat Super Bowl wins (this has never happened before)
  • Four straight AFC titles (hasn’t happened since the 90s Bills)
  • Four Super Bowl wins in five seasons (3 in 5 has been done multiple times, and 4 in 6 has only been done once)
  • Eight total Super Bowl wins (Brady has the record with 7)
  • Finish a perfect season (hasn’t happened since 1972, and Brady came just short in 2007- also remember the 17th game exists now too)
  • 12 or more straight division titles (the current record is 11 by, guess who)
 

Zest of Life

Banned deucer.
If the Chiefs win, where does this place Pat Mahomes in the GOAT debate? I think he’s a fantastic QB and one of the best the game has ever seen, but to compare him to Brady this early in his career is still kinda shocking. He’s definitely on track imo, but perhaps not ready to be in that convo yet…

A decisive win over the 49ers would certainly tempt me to consider placing him in that convo though. Looks like this year is eerily similar to 2020 too

Edit: And with that Super Bowl win, he's definitely in the discussion now
So now going back to my earlier post, where do you all rank Mahomes in the GOAT debate? He’s not anywhere near to Brady at this time, but I think he has great odds of surpassing him
 

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So now going back to my earlier post, where do you all rank Mahomes in the GOAT debate? He’s not anywhere near to Brady at this time, but I think he has great odds of surpassing him
personally I think its hard to rank career still guys until they're like 80-90% done, but I will say if he just stays healthy and plays for another 10 years (does not win another ring) hes sitting at #2 or behind Joe Montana
 
i bring this up again since its a valid question after bro having 3 rings at 28
Mahomes is the best ever talent wise. He will probably retire with at least 5, which puts him firmly in the Mahomes or Brady debate. Mahomes to me is undoubtedly “better” than Brady on general scouting, and on the stat sheet. But Brady was 2-0 vs. Mahomes and just had more of that “it” factor. I think Mahomes will need to get 9 rings for the consensus to be that he is a unanimous GOAT over Brady. (Though again, I personally think Mahomes is far more talented)
 

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